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Re: 1980/1981 Yamaha YZ250G/H New Build CDI. Expressions of Interest.
« Reply #50 on: January 25, 2019, 04:27:12 AM »
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Re: 1980/1981 Yamaha YZ250G/H New Build CDI. Expressions of Interest.
« Reply #51 on: February 10, 2019, 12:31:32 PM »
Update:

The second OEM CDI has been rebuilt, below are two photos.





I still haven't resolved the timing discrepancy between the two units.  One is about 5 degrees more advanced than the other.  Cooky sent me another OEM unit, but it appears to be lost in the shipping matrix somewhere.  I have been watching ebay for another viable candidate, but nothing so far.  I have to lock the timing down before I can build a prototype.  For now I am proceeding with the board layout.

I will not be able to fit all of the components into the same box size I use for most of the other CDIs, like the 23X.  The timing retard circuit requires 18 additional components, so the circuit board has to be bigger to accommodate.  I ordered some sample boxes, which should work well.  They are bigger than the 23X size, but still smaller than the 3R4 OEM unit.

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Re: 1980/1981 Yamaha YZ250G/H New Build CDI. Expressions of Interest.
« Reply #52 on: February 12, 2019, 01:07:59 PM »
Update:

I received the CDI from Matt today and I wasted no time testing it.  I now have one CDI from Dan, and one from Matt, that seem very close in timing to each other.  Over the RPM range they are within 1 degree of each other, so that's good news.  I'm going to retest in another day or so, after Matt's CDI has completely warmed to room temperature.  The CDI was cold when I removed it from the packaging, so that could effect the timing.  Yes, temperature does make a difference, so I need to consider that in my analysis. 

Please ignore the timing specs I posted earlier in this thread.  I was using a 2X6 instead of a 3R4 rotor.  My thinking was that since the 3R4 stator uses the same coils as the 2X6, I should be able to use the same rotor too.  However, that was a bad assumption.   I bought a 3R4 rotor and discovered that the magnets are in a slightly different position from the 2X6, relative to the zero degree mark, so that difference produced incorrect numbers. 

So now the test engine is configured properly, even if the engineer is out to lunch.

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Re: 1980/1981 Yamaha YZ250G/H New Build CDI. Expressions of Interest.
« Reply #53 on: February 12, 2019, 05:38:19 PM »
Good stuff Bill, good news that both are running the same giving you a confirmed place to start.

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Re: 1980/1981 Yamaha YZ250G/H New Build CDI. Expressions of Interest.
« Reply #54 on: February 16, 2019, 08:23:43 AM »
Great stuff Bill I?m looking forward to testing the final result! 😉😄
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Re: 1980/1981 Yamaha YZ250G/H New Build CDI. Expressions of Interest.
« Reply #55 on: February 24, 2019, 07:10:53 AM »
Update:

I have the circuit board nearly ready to go.  I'll be reviewing it over the next few days, tweaking and making final adjustments.  Because of the extra components for the timing circuit, this board is a little larger than most.  It measures 1.75" (44.45 mm) x 1.50" (38.10 mm).  I'll probably be ordering the boards in the next week or so.  With any luck, I hope to have the first units available around mid April.

I'm still sorting out the final timing settings.  I'm very close, but nothing short of perfect will do. 

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Re: 1980/1981 Yamaha YZ250G/H New Build CDI. Expressions of Interest.
« Reply #56 on: February 24, 2019, 01:14:21 PM »
I/m really enjoying this thread, especially as I/m building a YZ250H myself. I must admit that most of the tech stuff is way over my head. 
Today is electrics day. The stator has been tested ok.
I have three rotors.
Each rotor is stamped M100-27 on the front plus one has 010 and the other two 003.
Each rotor has a unique number stamped on the back; 552T, 16G & 7G.
I/m not sure of the relevance of the difference in the numbers. All seem to be the same size.
One backing plate is stamped C2 and the other C1





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Re: 1980/1981 Yamaha YZ250G/H New Build CDI. Expressions of Interest.
« Reply #57 on: February 24, 2019, 03:38:24 PM »
Hi Woody,

Not sure, but I think those are just date codes, or some other sort of manufacturing tracking information.  The important number is the M100-27.

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Re: 1980/1981 Yamaha YZ250G/H New Build CDI. Expressions of Interest.
« Reply #58 on: February 25, 2019, 03:22:45 AM »
Great news Bill, put me down for one please!
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Re: 1980/1981 Yamaha YZ250G/H New Build CDI. Expressions of Interest.
« Reply #59 on: February 25, 2019, 01:08:18 PM »
Thanks Bill
Great work you?re doing to help keep the old bikes alive.
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