Author Topic: IT200 Bearings - Non Genuine  (Read 3537 times)

0 Members and 1 Guest are viewing this topic.

Offline sluggish7

  • Yama-Idol
  • *****
  • Posts: 791
IT200 Bearings - Non Genuine
« on: May 02, 2014, 07:54:08 PM »
What about a topic for non genuine Yamaha bearings?

Having just put all new bearings into the 200 for about $80.00
I wish I had kept all the bearing numbers.

Sh_t load cheaper than genuine !!
1x IT 400,worn out now
1x IT 200
3x IT 250 Various
1x Gas Gas 200 excellent
1x GS650 project
1x IT 125
1x It 465 working on it
1 x IT 175
And a sh_t load of bits

Offline Jock

  • Owner
  • Yama-God
  • *****
  • Posts: 9907
    • Vinduro
Re: IT200 Bearings - Non Genuine
« Reply #1 on: May 02, 2014, 08:29:32 PM »

I wish I had kept all the bearing numbers.


This thread is useless without the bearing numbers!  ;D

Can you remember any of them?

Cheers

Jock

Offline fred99999au

  • Yama-God
  • ******
  • Posts: 4110
Re: IT200 Bearings - Non Genuine
« Reply #2 on: May 02, 2014, 09:16:38 PM »
I need to be doing the same thing in the next week or so, so can you pull yours to bit and give me the numbers please Sluggish?

Offline Griffo

  • Yama-God
  • ******
  • Posts: 2943
Re: IT200 Bearings - Non Genuine
« Reply #3 on: May 02, 2014, 09:21:30 PM »
I'm sure I was able to pull most of the Bearing part numbers off the Yamaha Parts schematics...
Yes, the aftermarket part numbers. Just remember to spec the clearances correctly. Such as C3 on the Mains etc...
SV1000S K3, IT465H x3, MX80, DS80, YZ250 09, YZ250 85, + a couple of Dirt Turtles...

Offline stainlesscycle2

  • Yama-Legend
  • ***
  • Posts: 225
Re: IT200 Bearings - Non Genuine
« Reply #4 on: May 02, 2014, 10:29:28 PM »
good thing someone keeps notes  ;D

unfortunately i don't have them all....some of the bearings are cheaper price oem than the quality aftermarket. i usually use oem in that case, that's why numbers aren't there..  when in doubt, always choose a c3 bearing, hard to go wrong.

lower steering stem 30x55x17 32006

upper steering stem 25x47x15 32005

crank fiche says 6205, but that is definitely 100% not right -  crank bearings are 83A915 25X55X15  (2 needed) - there is no cheap replacement for this bearing (to the best of my knowledge).  buy oem, not allballs.  oem is koyo.



left input trans shaft bearing 6303z (shield outboard)
right input trans shaft bearing 15NQ2410D needle roller
shift barrel 6001
right output shaft bearing - 6304NR (double check this.) - it definitely has to be nr or bearing will walk out of the case.  don't ask me how i know this.
left output shaft bearing - ? ? ? ? ?

rear wheel 6203 (3 needed)
front wheel (drum) 6202 (2 needed)
crank seals
25x 44 x 8  ignition seal 93102-25331-00

32 x 44 x 8 wet side - clutch - 2 way.  open both sides.  93103-32171-00 - you could use 2 32x44x4 (if this seal exists..) and back to back them.  i usually use the oem here, have not found an aftermarket exact match.  you could use a double lip 32x44x8 seal, which are easy and cheap, but they are a one way seal, and for some reason yamaha used a 2 way seal.  no other manufacturer (that i know of) used a seal like this on the wet side.   crankcase is vented, so i don't see why a 1 way seal wouldn't work - it works on every other 2 stroke..

other seals
Clutch arm seal:OD 25mm
                      ID  14mm
                      Depth 7mm

Crank Seal Clutch side: OD  44
                                ID  32mm
                                Depth 8mm

Crank Seal Flywheel Side: OD  44mm
                                    ID  25mm
                                    Depth 8mm

Counter shaft Seal: OD  38mm
                           ID  26mm
                           Depth 5mm
shift shaft seal is 12x21x4
kicker shaft is  17x25x4

Offline Jock

  • Owner
  • Yama-God
  • *****
  • Posts: 9907
    • Vinduro
Re: IT200 Bearings - Non Genuine
« Reply #5 on: May 02, 2014, 10:37:28 PM »

Unfortunately I don't have them all....



It's a very good start!

Thank you for posting.

Cheers

Jock

Offline stainlesscycle2

  • Yama-Legend
  • ***
  • Posts: 225
Re: IT200 Bearings - Non Genuine
« Reply #6 on: May 02, 2014, 10:54:25 PM »
Best to double check wheel bearings - I don't have OEM wheels anymore - but i believe these are correct.

Offline Zrt1200

  • Yama-God
  • ******
  • Posts: 1279
Re: IT200 Bearings - Non Genuine
« Reply #7 on: May 02, 2014, 11:28:18 PM »
Here is a few I have as well that is not posted yet.

Rear wheel seal ( 25 X 47 X 7) DD type

(86) IT200 Front wheel seal  (20 X 35 X 5)  SD type


Swing arm parts

13    QTY 2   93108-35004-00    OIL SEAL (35 X 41X 8) I dont know why I am getting a icon but it is supposed to X (eight)

11    QTY 2  93106-22019-00    OIL SEAL ( 22 X 28 X 8) I dont know why I am getting a icon but it is supposed to be X (eight)

Stainless, You are correct on the wheel bearing Part numbers.

Rear wheel bearings 6203RS (Qty 3) ( 17mm X 40mm X 12mm)  (( NOT 5/8" X 40mm X 12mm)) You can get both sizes in this bearing!!

Front wheel bearings 6202RS (Qty 2)


Current bikes, (82) IT465J, (85) IT200N, (05) GasGas 200, (11) DRZ400S, More photos can be found at.....

http://s582.photobucket.com/user/Zrt1107/library/dirt%20bikes?sort=3&page=1

Offline stainlesscycle2

  • Yama-Legend
  • ***
  • Posts: 225
Re: IT200 Bearings - Non Genuine
« Reply #8 on: May 02, 2014, 11:52:08 PM »
clutch pushrod bearing - 3/16"

there's only a few more seals/bearings on the bike - if anyone knows these - we would have a complete list!


left output shaft bearing - ? ? ? ? ? 93311-31567-00


swingarm bearings

shock linkage and shock bearings.   i thought i wrote these down somewhere, but can't find them now.  next time i service them i can probably get them.


steering stem seal

rear brake arm seal (usually the brake plate is so worn out this is a non replaceable seal......)

fork seals



Offline stainlesscycle2

  • Yama-Legend
  • ***
  • Posts: 225
Re: IT200 Bearings - Non Genuine
« Reply #9 on: May 03, 2014, 04:25:54 AM »
lower shock seal 18x26x4.5 93104-18077-00 (2 needed)






Offline fred99999au

  • Yama-God
  • ******
  • Posts: 4110
Re: IT200 Bearings - Non Genuine
« Reply #10 on: May 03, 2014, 05:40:53 AM »
Be wary with the crank seals stainless, as most of the crank seals I have replaced have been teflon lines on the inside, i.e on the side closes to the crank cheeks. They arent a standard seal. That might account for the double lips.

Offline stainlesscycle2

  • Yama-Legend
  • ***
  • Posts: 225
Re: IT200 Bearings - Non Genuine
« Reply #11 on: May 03, 2014, 06:37:14 AM »
Be wary with the crank seals stainless, as most of the crank seals I have replaced have been teflon lines on the inside, i.e on the side closes to the crank cheeks. They arent a standard seal. That might account for the double lips.

a standard double lip i.e. adl/tc/hmsa7 etc. in nbr or viton is more than enough to deal with the environment.  i do not know why yamaha specs sd, it's a low/medium pressure seal, that isn't doing anything special, there's not a particularly high runout.   as i said, if you put 2 2 32x44x4 back to back, you get 2 seals, and 2 dust wipers.  it's not the best way for sure.  it's a moot point, i don't believe 32x44x4 exists anyways..

very few manufacturers use a crank seal that is not available off the shelf.  


anyways, i was just putting the seal numbers out there - i use yamaha seal for wet side.  ignition side (and every other seal on the motor) i use aftermarket.   



Offline fred99999au

  • Yama-God
  • ******
  • Posts: 4110
Re: IT200 Bearings - Non Genuine
« Reply #12 on: May 03, 2014, 07:32:13 AM »
Sounds like you have a lot more experience with this stuff than I, so thank you .

Offline kiwiandy

  • Yama-Legend
  • ***
  • Posts: 149
Re: IT200 Bearings - Non Genuine
« Reply #13 on: February 03, 2016, 07:05:14 PM »
I see this thread is a couple of years old now, but still seems to have a lot of info missing.

I looking at rebuilding the rear suspension and shock on my 85 IT200N.
Looking at the parts list and  exploded parts diagrams there appears to be a truck load of expensive (at Bike Bandit prices... I guess thats why they are called bandits?) bearings and seals.
Any recommendations for an easy way to go here?
I can seems to see any detailed listing for alternatives?.. is the only option to buy OEM?
My present repetoire: YZ250A, YZ250B, TY250B, YZ125X, IT175J, DT175G, TT500E, TT500G, HL500, YZ465G, IT465H, YZ250K, YZ250N, YZ125N, 2 x IT200N, PW50, YZ250FX H,  and lots of other non YamaBikes..

Offline killindini1

  • Yama-God
  • ******
  • Posts: 2836
  • IT200L IT200S SDR200
Re: IT200 Bearings - Non Genuine
« Reply #14 on: February 03, 2016, 07:53:56 PM »
Hi Kiwi,

All balls do a linkage set for the IT490K,fits the IT200.
As far as your shock goes,the body is probably f___ked internally,but most dealers just re gas + oil + seals.
I have had new shock bodies machined up and shafts re chromed,but very expensive.

Cheers,
Steve.
Beer is more than just a breakfast drink

Offline fred99999au

  • Yama-God
  • ******
  • Posts: 4110
Re: IT200 Bearings - Non Genuine
« Reply #15 on: February 03, 2016, 10:29:48 PM »
And the eye spherical bearings are the same as the YZ125L as well apparently. Search for yz125 and bearing or similar and someone has posted the part numbers for all balls kits.

Offline kiwiandy

  • Yama-Legend
  • ***
  • Posts: 149
Re: IT200 Bearings - Non Genuine
« Reply #16 on: February 04, 2016, 06:10:20 PM »
Hi Kiwi,

All balls do a linkage set for the IT490K,fits the IT200.
As far as your shock goes,the body is probably f___ked internally,but most dealers just re gas + oil + seals.
I have had new shock bodies machined up and shafts re chromed,but very expensive.

Cheers,
Steve.

Thanks Steve, so far the shock body looks ok, My suspension guy has recommended using an alternative seal, so will see how that goes .
Searching 1983 It490 (and 1985 IT200) both got zero results on the Allballsracing.com website??
My present repetoire: YZ250A, YZ250B, TY250B, YZ125X, IT175J, DT175G, TT500E, TT500G, HL500, YZ465G, IT465H, YZ250K, YZ250N, YZ125N, 2 x IT200N, PW50, YZ250FX H,  and lots of other non YamaBikes..

Offline kiwiandy

  • Yama-Legend
  • ***
  • Posts: 149
Re: IT200 Bearings - Non Genuine
« Reply #17 on: February 04, 2016, 06:27:17 PM »
And the eye spherical bearings are the same as the YZ125L as well apparently. Search for yz125 and bearing or similar and someone has posted the part numbers for all balls kits.
My searching skills dont seem to be up to scratch today... I searched this forum and YZ125 forum and cannot find anything about this. Also google couldnt find anything either.
My present repetoire: YZ250A, YZ250B, TY250B, YZ125X, IT175J, DT175G, TT500E, TT500G, HL500, YZ465G, IT465H, YZ250K, YZ250N, YZ125N, 2 x IT200N, PW50, YZ250FX H,  and lots of other non YamaBikes..

Offline kiwiandy

  • Yama-Legend
  • ***
  • Posts: 149
My present repetoire: YZ250A, YZ250B, TY250B, YZ125X, IT175J, DT175G, TT500E, TT500G, HL500, YZ465G, IT465H, YZ250K, YZ250N, YZ125N, 2 x IT200N, PW50, YZ250FX H,  and lots of other non YamaBikes..

Offline fred99999au

  • Yama-God
  • ******
  • Posts: 4110

Offline fred99999au

  • Yama-God
  • ******
  • Posts: 4110
Re: IT200 Bearings - Non Genuine
« Reply #20 on: February 04, 2016, 09:33:52 PM »
Hey kiwiandy. posted before with a mobile phone which is one step from being useless.

Perhaps check Partzilla using a couple of browsers and see if the bearings and parts interchange?

Let us know if they do.

Offline killindini1

  • Yama-God
  • ******
  • Posts: 2836
  • IT200L IT200S SDR200
Re: IT200 Bearings - Non Genuine
« Reply #21 on: February 04, 2016, 10:18:30 PM »
Hi Kiwi,
This is the kit i used on my IT200.
http://www.allballsracing.com/27-1109.html

Cheers,
Steve.
Beer is more than just a breakfast drink

Offline kiwiandy

  • Yama-Legend
  • ***
  • Posts: 149
Re: IT200 Bearings - Non Genuine
« Reply #22 on: February 05, 2016, 05:30:02 AM »
OK everybody, thanks for your help on this. Maybe the allballs website wasnt working yesterday, as now I can search up so will buy the following YZ125L PN:
Lower Rear Shock Bearing Kit   29-5027   $22.02   

Upper Rear Shock Bearing Kit   29-1020   $25.98   

And the 27-1109 Swingarm Linkage kit .. hopefully this will tighten up the rear end!
My present repetoire: YZ250A, YZ250B, TY250B, YZ125X, IT175J, DT175G, TT500E, TT500G, HL500, YZ465G, IT465H, YZ250K, YZ250N, YZ125N, 2 x IT200N, PW50, YZ250FX H,  and lots of other non YamaBikes..

Offline fred99999au

  • Yama-God
  • ******
  • Posts: 4110
Re: IT200 Bearings - Non Genuine
« Reply #23 on: February 05, 2016, 10:44:54 AM »
The swingarm linkage kit includes the lower shock bearing kit I believe.

Offline kiwiandy

  • Yama-Legend
  • ***
  • Posts: 149
Re: IT200 Bearings - Non Genuine
« Reply #24 on: February 05, 2016, 01:36:30 PM »
THanks, I think you are right.. that saved me $22!!
My present repetoire: YZ250A, YZ250B, TY250B, YZ125X, IT175J, DT175G, TT500E, TT500G, HL500, YZ465G, IT465H, YZ250K, YZ250N, YZ125N, 2 x IT200N, PW50, YZ250FX H,  and lots of other non YamaBikes..

Offline keny

  • Yama-Legend
  • ***
  • Posts: 137
Re: IT200 Bearings - Non Genuine
« Reply #25 on: May 17, 2017, 08:39:07 PM »
crank bearings are 83A915 25X55X15  (2 needed) - there is no cheap replacement for this bearing (to the best of my knowledge).  buy oem, not allballs.  oem is koyo.
A strange side note here. Did order the KOYO bearings as seal kit from Motoduro, and as I got it is was a Allballs kit, but sure was KOYO bearings in the box!
In Garage, Yamaha?s: -83 IT175, -86 IT200, -89 + -90 XT600Z,
Honda?s: -86 VFR750F, -97 CR125R,
Suzuki?s: -88 TS250X (Suzuki)