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« on: March 16, 2009, 04:53:10 AM »

What premix oil do you run, why and what ratio?
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« Reply #1 on: March 16, 2009, 05:56:16 AM »

Belray H1R at 50:1

Because I have used it in bikes for over 20 years at this ratio with no problems.
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« Reply #2 on: March 16, 2009, 07:55:11 AM »

Not this topic again! hahahahaha
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« Reply #3 on: March 16, 2009, 08:14:04 AM »

It would seem, to the uneducated ( me ), that this question is the equivalent of asking people about the best position for rooting Cheesy Cheesy
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« Reply #4 on: March 16, 2009, 09:58:09 AM »

Well personally I prefer the missionary position.  Grin
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« Reply #5 on: March 16, 2009, 10:19:49 AM »

I like dog shot  Shocked
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« Reply #6 on: March 16, 2009, 10:49:52 AM »

Wow LOL.  Either how....I was running H1R and went too Bel Ray S2 when I killed my engine.  I'm guessing this was part of the issue.  Amazing you could run 50:1 on it with out a problem!  that's great.  I hate the price of the H1R, but the dealership i think is selling it for a killing.  Costs $23 bucks a quart (hence why I switched) here. 
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« Reply #7 on: March 16, 2009, 12:03:51 PM »

Holmesy!

50:1 is nothing short of DANGER my friend!
I was running 50:1 for a while then went back to 40:1 and now am running 32:1.

For the record - My IT490K is running best at 32:1.
For the record - I'm using a semi synthetic - ALL AUSTRALIAN 'Penrite' oil.
For the record - I purchased a 20 litre (4.4 gallons) drum from someone for $130.
For the record - That's a high quality semi synthetic oil at $6 per litre (0.22 gallons)

Here we go again with the 'dreaded' oil thread.  Grin

 
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« Reply #8 on: March 16, 2009, 01:08:27 PM »

I may be wrong but I gather you Americano's are quite biased towards "Belray" oils?

Yamalube 2R
This seems to be a very reasonably priced, high performance oil at $7.20 per QUART.
Link: http://www.monstermarketplace.com/Sports/Landing4a16925.html




And here is some interesting reading for our US counterparts from a guy in the states that
tested the following oils at a 32:1 mix in his 2007 YZ250.

We don't focus on these oils in Australia so his comments are not that much help to us but
it may help you decide on an oil Holmsey.



Golden Spectro:
This oil did a good job of protecting the piston and cylinder. The piston was a little shiny on the intake side, but wear was within specs, and the piston and cylinder otherwise looked OK. There was a good coating of residual oil in both the top and bottom of the engine. It is a dirty-burning oil, however. It leaves a lot of carbon deposits on the piston crown and head, and really gums up the ring grooves and the power valves. And this oil spooges! No matter how sharp you try to jet, the spooge simply can’t be completely eliminated. I wouldn’t run this oil again unless I had no alternative, it’s just too dirty. As a side note that may or may not be related to the oil, this is the only pre-mix that I have ever had an engine failure while using, with the thrust-bearings on the KDX250 crank pin seizing. It was probably just a fluke, and I can’t pin it down to lubrication failure, but it’s always stuck in my head.

Maxima Super-M: This oil didn’t protect the piston as well as I would like to see in my engines. The piston was noticably shiny and scuffed on both the intake and exhaust sides, and the top-end was almost dry upon tear-down, although the bottom-end seemed to be well lubed. The ring grooves were reasonably clean, but the piston crown and head had significant deposits, as well as the powervalves, although not as bad as the Golden Spectro. Another oil that I just can’t recommend, it just doesn’t seem to leave the engine well lubricated or clean. I also felt this oil left an off-color on the plugs, making jetting a little more difficult.

Maxima Castor 927: Very slight scuffing on the intake side of the piston, but over-all everything looked good. The ring grooves had slight deposits, and the piston crown and head had slight build-up that was well within reason. The powervalves were gummy, but not to the point of seizing or failing, again within reason for a non-synthetic oil, and excellent for a castor-based oil. Both the top and bottom-end of the engine were very oily and well-lubed with plenty of residual build-up. And the smell of this oil is wonderfully sweet, better than any other oil I’ve used. I liked using this oil just for the smell! Overall a good oil with no real bad points.

Redline: This was a strange oil. The piston and cylinder looked good, with minor shiny spots but no scuffing, and everything was reasonably clean and well-lubed. But this oil actually left surface rust on the crank wheels, and tarnished the carb brass. It also had a tendency to gum up the carb jets for some reason. How a metal surface can be both oily and have rust on it is beyond me, but clearly this oil lacks any proper corrosion-inhibitors, or it has such a high ester content that it has hygroscopic properties. Whichever is the case, I would never use it again, nor could I recommend it.

Mobil 1 MX2T: The piston and cylinder looked great with this oil. No noticable shiny spots or scuffing on the piston at all. The top and bottom of the engine were well lubed with plenty of residual build-up, and even the powervalves were oily and lubed. No other oil that I’ve used compares to the cleanliness of this oil. The piston, head, and powervalves were nearly spotless, the valves didn’t even really need cleaning. If I were a serious racer, this would be my oil of choice. The only reason I no longer use it is the awful, acrid-smelling exhaust it produces. Since I just play-ride with my buddies, they all complained srongly about the smell when they were riding behind me, and my brother-in-law went so far as to tell me he would ban me from riding with him if I didn’t change oils.

Bell Ray H1R: This oil was similar to the Super-M in every way. It left the piston shiney and scuffed-looking, although the top-end wasn't left as dry looking. Deposits were less than with the Super-M, but still heavy enough on the valves to be a problem for riders that run their top-ends for extended periods of time. I could see this oil gumming up the valves enough to cause them to stop functioning. An acceptable but un-exceptional oil.

Yamalube 2R: For a dino-based semi-synthetic oil, this is an exceptional product that performs as well as any full-synthetic that I have used. The piston and cylinder always look good, with no significant shiny spots or scuffing. The ring grooves, piston crown, and combustion chamber were very clean, with only a light circular carbon pattern on the crown and head. The valves are almost as clean as with MX2T, although not clean enough to not need removing and cleaning. The top and bottom of the engine are always well lubed with plenty of residual oil, even on the powervalves. This is my oil of choice, and I whole-heartedly recommend it to everyone, racer and casual rider alike.

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« Reply #9 on: March 16, 2009, 01:36:13 PM »

I learn more every day from this forum. Invaluble information i couldn't find out anywhere else.....................Jock likes push-up's and BB does pelvic thrusts to keep fit Cheesy...................Whats with you and monkeys BB Huh Cheesy
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« Reply #10 on: March 16, 2009, 04:38:26 PM »

Kato Loves a bit of Squat Thrush from what I hear...?! Either that or Squat Thrust...?! Sounds Girly... Wink Just like his proffered style of riding....  Kiss Grin
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« Reply #11 on: March 16, 2009, 04:41:20 PM »

does a padded bra count as body armour? Roll Eyes............ Grin
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« Reply #12 on: March 16, 2009, 04:42:58 PM »

LOL! Grin

BTW, The correct answer is yes! Kiss Wink
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« Reply #13 on: March 16, 2009, 04:44:19 PM »

i think Knee guards look abit out of place under stockings though Kiss
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« Reply #14 on: March 16, 2009, 04:45:28 PM »

Jocks info on the oil comparo is great,.........thank you again Jock Smiley
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